That might be the only plausable way to get a Catholic into the office that early.
Its up to him. But considering that the Irish are more likely ging to vote Democratic, seeing a Catholic in office might be a good boost for them as well.
Oh, I can see that, which is why I'm suddenly talking myself into the idea.

Huh! ok.
Technically I have already talked you into Eamon Develara as remaining in the US and being a Senator/Senate Pro-tem,
I'd be 2/2 then if you run through with this.

It wouldn't be a very big tweak, though I had been quite satisfied with what I had for 1920
*shrugs*
Then don't change it. Run with what you have...
Just change the 25-33 terms
As a reader I don't technically want to influence you too much, I just want to enjoy the ride. 😁
 
Its up to him. But considering that the Irish are more likely ging to vote Democratic, seeing a Catholic in office might be a good boost for them as well.


Huh! ok.
Technically I have already talked you into Eamon Develara as remaining in the US and being a Senator/Senate Pro-tem,
I'd be 2/2 then if you run through with this.


*shrugs*
Then don't change it. Run with what you have...
Just change the 25-33 terms
As a reader I don't technically want to influence you too much, I just want to enjoy the ride. 😁
We'll see... I could go either way. It's certainly an interesting idea, if nothing else.
 
Jix
"...Long's contentment at Home Office. Joynson-Hicks was thus in many ways frustrated that his coveted portfolio remained out of his hands and that the matters for which he had developed an interest and passion he now could not influence, but Long remained his most important patron and mentor, and having a ministerial file and sitting in Cabinet meetings was nonetheless a considerable promotion.

The Ministry of Health had been created for the first time under the Haldane government and thus was regarded as a new and curious appointment by most Nats, but Joynson-Hicks saw in it an opportunity for more, and it was even more so at Health than as Long's deputy at Home that he developed his reputation as a tireless worker and ferocious advocate for his tasks. Joynson-Hicks aggressively moved to expand treatment for communicable diseases such as tuberculosis and created the first ever registry of nurses in Britain, with a push towards more centralized and standardized regulation and education of the nursing profession being incomplete by the time the Cecil ministry left office in December 1917.

In his role as Minister of Health, Joynson-Hicks clashed often with many of the Hughligan figures of the Cabinet, first and foremost Cecil himself, who criticized his spending requests as impractical and unconservative, and his instincts as inappropriately statist. Indeed, Malcolm went so far as to quip that "Jixie is a Chamberlainite, simply lathered in reactionary paint." This elided Joynson-Hicks' familiar moralizing social conservatism that set him apart from many of his contemporaries (one of his proposals at Health was to make "immoral behaviour" by nurses a sackable offence") but also missed perhaps the underlying shift in National thinking. While the aristocrats around Cecil were no moderates, their conservatism was trapped by a certain 19th century stuffiness, having become the Gladstonians in economic thinking they had once hated. What Joynson-Hicks represented instead was a more nationalist approach, a continental brand of conservatism that promised the use of the state on behalf of God, King and Country and all that entailed rather than, as the Liberals would argue, the moral and social uplift of the masses according to modernist ideas.

It was for that reason that toiling in relative obscurity to the public at Health, Joynson-Hicks avoided the reputational damage that much of Cecil's generation of colleagues suffered in the economic and political debacles of that term, but also proved himself to a legion of young Nationals that he was one of the true talents in the party as an administrator and governor, a figure who could reasonably use the tools of state before him to enact policy rather than simply opine on matters of the ruling class. He was, in that sense, the hingepoint of when what had once been the Conservative Party became a middle class party, and High Toryism was beginning to be replaced by something new..."

- Jix
 
The People's Prime Minister: Thomas Crerar's Remarkable Canadian Life
"...rather than hinder the energy of the United Farmers, the failed push for women's suffrage in the Prairie Provinces of 1916 energized Canadian progressivism, as the blockade of action on the matter in Saskatchewan and Alberta and its narrow defeat in Manitoba revealed not only how close the issue was to getting over the hump but also how critical organization was for the UF, which had limped out of Ottawa in 1912 badly bruised but not defeated after the Farmers' March had ended in violence and ignobility.

Crerar in particular was energized by a life of campaigning, going to churches, trade halls, picnics, farm shows and fraternal lodges to doggedly demand the women's vote be granted "with immediate haste in these provinces." The two-vote margin of defeat in Manitoba particularly irked him and led to his determination to organize the UFM to be "the first and finest force in provincial politics," and indeed the suffrage campaign of 1916, despite its defeat, made him a household name across much of the Prairies as he came to be considered the Canadian answer to Americans such as William Jennings Bryan or William Randolph Hearst.

"It is in defeat," Crerar told a gathering of dismayed UF activists, "that one learns how to win," and as the breakthroughs of the following several years would prove, he was indeed right..."

- The People's Prime Minister: Thomas Crerar's Remarkable Canadian Life
 
I think we should start referring to Joynson Hicks as Constable Killjoy, since when ever he is around the fun police seem to turn up.
 
Looks like it is Commonwealth Day today, good stuff.

Jix --> This Hugh Cecil ministry looks like it will be an all-timer in terms of how ineffective and unpopular it is. Problem is the guys coming up are worse - @Gman is right: Jix must be a complete joy at parties. Picture the scene: some random Tory MPs are just hanging out at the cigar lounge and Jix walks in and makes a beeline towards them. Imagine the trepidation they must feel once he's got them in his sights and starts babbling on about why pre-marital sex will lead to the downfall of the empire.

Crerar --> Take it from me, a Chicago Bears fan: defeat doesn't teach you how to win. If that was the case I'd be a Rhodes Scholar. On a more serious note, it is super depressing that Orange Order Crerar is as good as Canada is going to get from a progressive standpoint. I wish him the best of luck, but cracking the Tory stronghold of Ontario (to say nothing of Quebec with its ultramonatist trends) will be much harder than winning in the Prairies.
 
It actually wouldn't shock me if Jix was behind closed doors totally different than he is in public. We hear stories all the time about politicians who love spouting the "family values" rhetoric in public but it turns out they've been cheating on their spouses for decades behind closed doors.
 
"...Long's contentment at Home Office. Joynson-Hicks was thus in many ways frustrated that his coveted portfolio remained out of his hands and that the matters for which he had developed an interest and passion he now could not influence, but Long remained his most important patron and mentor, and having a ministerial file and sitting in Cabinet meetings was nonetheless a considerable promotion.

The Ministry of Health had been created for the first time under the Haldane government and thus was regarded as a new and curious appointment by most Nats, but Joynson-Hicks saw in it an opportunity for more, and it was even more so at Health than as Long's deputy at Home that he developed his reputation as a tireless worker and ferocious advocate for his tasks. Joynson-Hicks aggressively moved to expand treatment for communicable diseases such as tuberculosis and created the first ever registry of nurses in Britain, with a push towards more centralized and standardized regulation and education of the nursing profession being incomplete by the time the Cecil ministry left office in December 1917.

In his role as Minister of Health, Joynson-Hicks clashed often with many of the Hughligan figures of the Cabinet, first and foremost Cecil himself, who criticized his spending requests as impractical and unconservative, and his instincts as inappropriately statist. Indeed, Malcolm went so far as to quip that "Jixie is a Chamberlainite, simply lathered in reactionary paint." This elided Joynson-Hicks' familiar moralizing social conservatism that set him apart from many of his contemporaries (one of his proposals at Health was to make "immoral behaviour" by nurses a sackable offence") but also missed perhaps the underlying shift in National thinking. While the aristocrats around Cecil were no moderates, their conservatism was trapped by a certain 19th century stuffiness, having become the Gladstonians in economic thinking they had once hated. What Joynson-Hicks represented instead was a more nationalist approach, a continental brand of conservatism that promised the use of the state on behalf of God, King and Country and all that entailed rather than, as the Liberals would argue, the moral and social uplift of the masses according to modernist ideas.

It was for that reason that toiling in relative obscurity to the public at Health, Joynson-Hicks avoided the reputational damage that much of Cecil's generation of colleagues suffered in the economic and political debacles of that term, but also proved himself to a legion of young Nationals that he was one of the true talents in the party as an administrator and governor, a figure who could reasonably use the tools of state before him to enact policy rather than simply opine on matters of the ruling class. He was, in that sense, the hingepoint of when what had once been the Conservative Party became a middle class party, and High Toryism was beginning to be replaced by something new..."

- Jix
Feels like the British conservatives (or at least Jix) are moving to more of what the Conservative Germans of OTL viewed the proper place of the State.
 
I think we should start referring to Joynson Hicks as Constable Killjoy, since when ever he is around the fun police seem to turn up.
Yes, yes indeed we should
Looks like it is Commonwealth Day today, good stuff.

Jix --> This Hugh Cecil ministry looks like it will be an all-timer in terms of how ineffective and unpopular it is. Problem is the guys coming up are worse - @Gman is right: Jix must be a complete joy at parties. Picture the scene: some random Tory MPs are just hanging out at the cigar lounge and Jix walks in and makes a beeline towards them. Imagine the trepidation they must feel once he's got them in his sights and starts babbling on about why pre-marital sex will lead to the downfall of the empire.

Crerar --> Take it from me, a Chicago Bears fan: defeat doesn't teach you how to win. If that was the case I'd be a Rhodes Scholar. On a more serious note, it is super depressing that Orange Order Crerar is as good as Canada is going to get from a progressive standpoint. I wish him the best of luck, but cracking the Tory stronghold of Ontario (to say nothing of Quebec with its ultramonatist trends) will be much harder than winning in the Prairies.
Ah but you’re assuming Canada will have something approximating OTL’s stable majorities, rather than shitshow minority coalitions!
It actually wouldn't shock me if Jix was behind closed doors totally different than he is in public. We hear stories all the time about politicians who love spouting the "family values" rhetoric in public but it turns out they've been cheating on their spouses for decades behind closed doors.
Funnily enough, from what I read Jix was the genuine item in being a stuffy Victorian High Anglican boob; the fact that he was such an embodiment of late 19th century sentiment was why he became something of a caricature in the more libertine 1920s iOTL
Feels like the British conservatives (or at least Jix) are moving to more of what the Conservative Germans of OTL viewed the proper place of the State.
That’s definitely the idea, at least for the next 50 or so years
 
Ah but you’re assuming Canada will have something approximating OTL’s stable majorities, rather than shitshow minority coalitions!
If we have the CCF join forces with Quebec reactionaries, we'll get our fabled reckless coalition of socialists and separatists several decades early!
 
Imagine if Jix was introduced to Youtube, he'd have an aneurysm
If YouTube gives him an aneurysm porn sites may actually kill him.
Hm...

*Begins constructing a time machine that can cross realities to save both OTL and TTL*
Ah but you’re assuming Canada will have something approximating OTL’s stable majorities, rather than shitshow minority coalitions!
One of the weirdest things about OTL Canada is its allergy towards formal coalitions that I don't get at all. Now, the question of shitshow minority coalitions is, are they true formal shitshow coalitions, or are they supply-and-confidence shitshow coalitions?
 
If we have the CCF join forces with Quebec reactionaries, we'll get our fabled reckless coalition of socialists and separatists several decades early!
Good god hahaha
If YouTube gives him an aneurysm porn sites may actually kill him.
Hm...

*Begins constructing a time machine that can cross realities to save both OTL and TTL*

One of the weirdest things about OTL Canada is its allergy towards formal coalitions that I don't get at all. Now, the question of shitshow minority coalitions is, are they true formal shitshow coalitions, or are they supply-and-confidence shitshow coalitions?
Considering Canadian political culture you’d think the latter, but considering the instability presaged by partisan outcomes in some of my “election results” notes for Canada, you’d be almost forced to do the former
 
One good things about the eventual Jix Premiership - He's probably going to promote the development of good roads in Britain and may even work to push a native British automobile industry. Which actually has some very interesting knock-on effects for British history during the mid-century and later.

It will be interesting if its Jix who ends up having to negotiate the early stages of Dominion status for India and Ireland, establishing the beginnings of the Commonwealth. Though, it's als important to realize that the lack of a Soviet Union or other major Communist state is going to have a major impact on how he deals with labor and foeign powes as well.
 
One good things about the eventual Jix Premiership - He's probably going to promote the development of good roads in Britain and may even work to push a native British automobile industry. Which actually has some very interesting knock-on effects for British history during the mid-century and later.

It will be interesting if its Jix who ends up having to negotiate the early stages of Dominion status for India and Ireland, establishing the beginnings of the Commonwealth. Though, it's als important to realize that the lack of a Soviet Union or other major Communist state is going to have a major impact on how he deals with labor and foeign powes as well.
For better or worse he was an avid motorist before anyone else was.

In all, he's actually a super strange and politically heterodox man. A staunch anti-Semite, anti-republican and ferocious anticommunist, but also one of the earliest supporters of the women's suffrage movement in Britain, and he favored some kind of interventionist economic policy even before the Great Depression, viewing some level of statism as necessary to the Tory ability to appeal to the working class. Just a weird dude, which makes him an interesting character.

Knowing his views, they non-existent Bolshevism would probably nonetheless not particular inoculate a Jix-led Britain against a staunchly anti-socialist stance
 
With the mention of ultramonitism. A few questions about Catholicism iTTL.

1) What is the status of the Pope vis-a-vis control of OTL Vatican City, (Do I have my TL crossed that he isn't even in Italy?)
2) Are there any countries where Catholism would be considered suppressed (Government interfering with selection of Archbishops or simply not allowing them at all). (Will Chile go that far?)
 
With the mention of ultramonitism. A few questions about Catholicism iTTL.

1) What is the status of the Pope vis-a-vis control of OTL Vatican City, (Do I have my TL crossed that he isn't even in Italy?)
2) Are there any countries where Catholism would be considered suppressed (Government interfering with selection of Archbishops or simply not allowing them at all). (Will Chile go that far?)
1) The Great Powers negotiated the Leonine Compromise to preserve part of Rome (Vatican + Leonine) for the Church and Italy swallowed it, but the Church hasn’t “officially” accepted it even though it’s back from Malta. The Pope claims he’s a prisoner even if there aren’t Italian soldiers camped out at St. Peter’s for fifty years

2) Italy is fairly hostile to Church interests, though to what extent I don’t know. Most Liberal parties in Latin America still fairly explicitly repress the Church, so I’d say Chile is probably going to go a step beyond that even if they never go full Soviet state atheism
 
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